With Long Break to Examine, Will Gary Williams Flip Terps' Starting Lineup?
It's exam week in College Park, and you know what that means (besides liberal amounts of Red Bull and cramming): a long break from basketball.
Maryland's last game was the 12th, against Boston College. They have ten days off before a game on the 22nd against NJIT, then another week-long break before a game against North Florida. Even then, Maryland's waiting another five days before a game against Colgate. In fact, the Terrapins don't return to high-major play until Jan. 9, when they visit Duke (gulp).
If you want to break it down statistically, that would be three games in the next 27 days. Oi.
However, that long break does bring something nice for Gary Williams and his staff: lots and lots of time to analyze his starting lineup and figure out exactly what changes, if any, need to be made. It's not unusual for the biggest changes to come during or shortly after the exam break. It is, after all, a logical stopping place, as it offers both the most amount of time to analyze the situation and the most time to play with stuff in practice and get the players to buy in.
It seemed as if changes were right around the corner after Maryland's defeat at the hands of Temple, but (perhaps not surprisingly) nothing changed immediately. It's doubtful that things changed too terribly much after the Boston College loss, which saw below-average performances from everyone not named Williams, Gregory, Bowie, and Stoglin.
Few things in all this are certain. One of the certainties here, obviously, is that Jordan Williams will be starting and, as the season goes on, getting more and more minutes. Perhaps the only other certainty is that Dino Gregory will also be starting; he's been up and down, but he was great against BC and is clearly better than James Padgett, usually the first big man off the bench.
It's worth mentioning, before we go any further, that Gary Williams is like a lot of other basketball coaches: he doesn't care about what he considers the false label of "starter" vs. "non-starter." We found that out with Eric Hayes in his junior year, when Adrian Bowie was the "starter" while Hayes was the "finisher." In terms of this team, which routinely falls victim to slow starts, I'm not quite sure the label is necessarily false, but that's another matter entirely. I'm expecting changes, but I wouldn't be shocked if they come in terms of minutes, not lineup.
The biggest thing that needs to change, most would contend, has to do with Terrell Stoglin. Maryland's biggest hole is a lack of offensive firepower on the perimeter, as they too often rely too heavily on Jordan Williams. Stoglin, meanwhile, happens to be the very definition of perimeter offensive firepower. He's inconsistent, a bit of a chucker, a bit of a ballhog, and makes lots of mistakes. But with the rest of the team playing...well, like they're playing, it's almost inevitable that Stoglin will be a starter, even if not in name, before too long.
The question then becomes whom he'll replace out of the starters. It's not a flattering group, to be honest.
Sean Mosley, for the record, likely has his job on lockdown. He's a "Gary guy" who plays good defense and is heady and all that jazz. That should be enough for him to get through the rough stretch he's been having lately. The same applies to Adrian Bowie: he's played better as of late and has, historically, been better off the ball.
It's not perfect, though: aside from the fact that Bowie was just getting used to playing point guard and has come up short against big-time opposition in the past, it also gives Maryland a pretty big height disadvantage. Can Bowie measure up against some of the ACC's 6-5 shooting guards, like FSU's Devydas Dulkys or VT's Dorenzo Hudson? College basketball is getting shorter again, but not that short. Gary's been good playing small in the past, but the hope was that that period had ended.
I wouldn't be shocked to see either of them getting edged out by Stoglin, but I would be surprised. And that's because Cliff Tucker's still around. There's no more rollercoaster player on the team than Cliff, and I hate to say I told you so...but I called it. Anyway, we all know the story: benched against Illinois, bounced back, invisible against Penn State and Temple, bounces back against a cupcake, and then disappears again in a crucial game when the Terrapins need him.
In fact, saying Tucker "disappeared" is a little too positive. That would assume he didn't miss two utterly crucial free throws in the final two minutes and didn't turn the ball over on what proved to be Maryland's final possession of note, both of which happened. Gary's always had a quick leash on Cliff, and though I've often railed against it, it's getting difficult to defend starting Cliff over Stoglin when he hasn't played well against a decent opponent since early November.
The mantra that "Maryland needs Tucker to be successful" no longer rings as true as it once did. Tucker would be a crucial boost to Maryland's chances and if you gave me the choice of any player to make a big leap in ACC play, I probably take Tucker (maybe Stoglin). But at this point the season, I'm not sure if the Terrapins can afford to keep clinging to that dream if it's going to hurt them the way it has the past few games.
Then again, I'm not a coach. Neither are any of you (unless you are). But I'm venturing a guess that by the next time Maryland takes to the floor in the Comcast Center, we'll be seeing a different starting five than the one that went out there against Boston College.
So, to pass the time today and tomorrow until an announcement regarding Franklin comes down, let's start taking predictions: give me your starting five (remember to be respectful) against NJIT or, if you don't believe changes will come until late, the first game that Gary makes a change and the lineup there. I know there are a lot of differing opinions on this, so I'm curious to see some of the results. I think it's pretty cut and dry myself, but that's just me.
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Stoglin played more minutes then Tucker, Bowie and Mosley
Against Boston College anyway. I just dont see how starting Stoglin in place of Tucker or Bowie would make that much of a difference. If that happens, I could see Tucker or Bowie melting down and playing even worse. At this point, the best scenario I can see is that Tucker starts playing like we know he can and Stoglin is our first person off the bench in ACC play providing an offensive spark when we need it. I love Stoglin and Howard, but I just dont see us making the tournament with 2 freshman guards leading the way. I know we havent really seen it yet, but I think Bowie and Tucker will start playing better and will start all the way through the end of the year.
IMO
1-Stoglin
2-Mosley
3-Tucker
4-Dino
5-J-Dub
Heres my thinking…
I’d love to make the backcourt Stoglin and Parker but you can’t have 2 freshman in the backcourt come ACC play..who knows maybe i’m wrong, but I don’t think Howard and Stoglin together in the backcourt is such a great idea just yet…as you said, Mosley has his spot on lockdown because he plays defense, hustles, can hit his free throws, and hopefully soon that mid range jumper will start to fall. Im still hanging on to the fact that Cliff can get back on track but if he can’t I see him as the first option off the bench. I really think Bowie and Tucker can be sparkplugs off the bench like they were last year, and I think they are much more comfortable in that role. Dino has been playing like a stud the past few games and I really expect that to continue. He’s hitting his mid range shot and he brings a real shot blocking presence to the defense. Obviously Jordan’s going to hold it down inside, I think he should keep putting up double double numbers in the ACC. I think a big key to this teams success is how Hawk and Padge can play come ACC season. If Hawk can continue to hustle, hit an occasional shot, and cut down on the turnovers i think he could really help this team. If Padge can give Jordan a few minutes rest to keep him fresh down the stretch i think it could do wonders to this team. I also think PeShon can come in and provide some energy off the bench.
Bowie and Tucker liked coming off the bench last year
Because they were behind 2 senior guards that were very talented and ran our system to perfection. Now that they’re seniors, its supposed to be “their team”. If I was in their position, I would not feel very good about coming off the bench when a freshman, not even with a full year of experience in the UMD system, starting ahead of me. Its selfish and might not be best for the team, but I bet that is how they feel.
i agree
with what your saying, but honestly Stoglin is a better player then Bowie or Tucker right now..no that may change during the ACC season but if its what best for the team Bowie and Tucker need to realize that and bring the same type of energy they did last year
The sad part about this senior situation is
If 2 of our 3 seniors – bowie and tucker – were to drop dead our team wouldn’t get worse, in fact we may improve. Dino is a different story.
The problem is Stoglin and Howard are simply better guards than Tucker and Bowie. They’re better players. Sure T&B have more experience, but if you think about it, not by much. Vasquez and Hayes were always the ones running the show when it mattered, Bowie and Tucker would occasionally have a decent supporting game.
Not appropriate
I understand what you’re trying to say but please don’t say it in this manner-
“were to drop dead.” Especially at this school
by terpfan2011 on Dec 14, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Why must we be offended by everything in this country.
Its just a figure of speech dude
Walkin in a Wieters Wonderland
Stoglin is playing better then Tucker and Bowie right now
You cannot say the same about Pe’Shon. Hes been playing very well for a freshman, but he put up a statline against BC of 0 pts, 3 assists, 2 turnovers and 2 rebounds. Bowie put up 4 points, 7 assists and 0 turnovers. If anything, I say we go with a line up of:
Stoglin, Bowie, Mosley, Gregory and Williams. That way, we still have a veteran ball handler in the backcourt, but let Stoglin run the point, and when needed, Bowie can bring it up against heavy pressure. Hopefully this will re-energize Tucker and he can really be a offensive spark off the bench.
The only problem with this is that it leaves us a backcourt of 6’1, 6’2 and 6’4. Bigger teams could exploit us on defense.
In other news, MD football came up big this wkd
Nolan Carrol made big pick in Miami and Josh Wilson sealed Ravens game
oh you beat me too it
Nolan Carrol was also the one tripped by the Jets coach, buncha cheaters
use a rotation for some of the iffy positions
1- stogs/bowie some
2- mos/bowie/howard
3- cliff/hawk
4-dino
5- jwill
I know hawk is a fan favorite
But he isn’t as amazing as people believe him to be. I am more excited about the potential of Parker coming in at the 3 as the season progressed.
by terpfan2011 on Dec 14, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
psh Hawk is a beast
We’re going to need his hustle and outside shooting in the ACC.
You’ll see the light soon enough!
clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose!
smoke'em if ya got'em!
by Daniel Hamilton on Dec 14, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Parker
Parker couldn’t get time against the easiest part of the schedule, how is he supposed to all of a sudden be prepared for the rigors of the ACC?? Hawk plays the game very soundly. He rebounds, has a good shot, can pass well and brings some size to the line up. He’s still catching up to the speed of the game, but once he gets that down he’ll have some games where he contributes nicely off the bench. I think playing on his national team really helped prepare him for NCAA basketball.
Parker needed more time than the others to learn the system.
He is certainly the most athletic and arguably the most talented guy on our team. I could see him getting a few minutes a game heading into ACC play, and if he performs well, maybe even more…
Rotation
One alternative:
1-Bowie
2-Howard
3- Mosley
4-Dino
5- Williams
I like Stoglin coming off the bench for the spark offensively, but it’s clear Tucker needs to be benched. He is not performing well at all and those free throws and the inbounds pass to BC with the timeouts are clear indicators of that fact.
Howard is a better defender, passer and more consistent than Stoglin, for now. I like him at the 2, and I like Bowie running the offense for now. He’s more consistent as a passer (ie, doesn’t turn it over as much) compared to Stoglin.
I Think Tucker needs to be a bench player
Cliff Tucker is very talented…but he doesn’t have an attack mentality. When he gets the ball, he needs to attack or start creating a shot…but he doesn’t . The man needs to tape on his locker a gigantic sign that simply reads “ATTACK!!!!!!”
As the SG, Cliff is supposed to be scoring points, not passing the shot off to someone else. He needs to become more of a ball hog and use his talents more.
I like Stoglin mainly because he has an attack mentality.
My suggestion for our starting line up:
PG: Stoglin
SG: Bowie (dual PG…and Bowie has shown he can score the 3 if needed)
SF: Mosely
PF: Dino
C: Williams
IMO I agree with Janosek21's linup!
1-Stoglin
2-Mosley
3-Tucker
4-Dino
5-J-Dub
substitute Bowie for (Stoglin or Mosely)
substitute Peshon for (Mosely or Tucker)
Hawk Padge Weiss and Parker as needed
this starting five gives us the height we need for perimeter defense!!! plus posistion for position it is our best five at their respective positions
note- even though Bowie is not starting he gets his minutes +
We need SIZE
1 – Stoglin
2 – Mosley
3 – Hawk
4 – Dino
5 – Williams
Defensively I think Hawk can match up against most 3’s. We need the extra size on the floor. Plus besides Stoglin we need a shooter on the floor. Mosley is awful at the 3 ball, bowie is good and tucker is flashy. With bowie in the lineup we are giving up a lot on the boards and tucker is inconsistent. Give Hawk a chance against one of these less formitable teams and see how he plays.
The sad thing is even in the Nick Faust era I dont know what our starting lineup will be. Id imagine:
1 – Stoglin
2 – Faust
3 – Mosley
4 – ???? (Pankey, Hawk, Padgett, Flying Dutchman, new guy)
5 – Williams
by Charlotte NC Terp on Dec 14, 2010 8:38 AM EST reply actions
Hawk?
I understand that everyone is excited about this kid but there is no way he is ready to start in the ACC. He is averaging 2.2 points a game and shooting 22% from deep. I understand he hustles and has made some strides as of recently but i think if you throw him in the starting lineup, especially at cameron it would be a mistake and set back his development. I think he has a bright future, but its a little to early
They are who we thought they were
Tucker and Bowie have had UMD fans drooling for four years now. We keep waiting for the “real” Tucker/Bowie to start playing. I got news for you, they are already here and they are back-up ACC guards. All the quickness, the silly good stroke, it’s all fools gold.
Tucker is the hot chick that you start to date and find out she is crazy as hell. You keep giving her a second chance because she is so damn hot. But at the end of the day, she is bat #$% crazy and it’s a deal breaker. Accept it and move on.
Stogs, Tucker, Mosley, Dino, JW.
Bowie and Howard coming off the bench. This way you split up the bad alchemy of Tucker and Bowie.
by Terpentine on Dec 14, 2010 9:23 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Good Gollie let's get our act together!!! The boogie woogie man goina get you
This season feels like we’re on a freakin roller coaster! Terpentine it is for what it is. It’s like we all got courted into this this and got so excited. I hope come tournament time the full moon is out and than come the boogie woogie man and Cliff catches the sasquach and plays like he’s got three balls. Good grief I’m tired of getting my hopes up like this! But atleast there’s potential for this years team even if with inconsistency strengths and weaknesses.
Based on what I’ve seen so far my honest hope for this year is that we make the tourney and get to the sweet sixteen and play a hard fought game that goes to the end. Anything beyond this would be gravy. And to get this far we goina need the boogie woogie man the full moon and Stoglin to become ball of fire
neither stoglin or bowie get others involved in the half court. neither has shown a propensity ot breaking down a defense, penetrating and passing. howard is the best player to play point. put stoglin at sg as he moves well without the ball and catches and shoots well. this will also limit his “hogging” the ball and also with howard you will improved defense on the perimeter. you can only hope tucker starts playing consistently. he is one of teh few players who can shoot from the outside and he can play defense. obviously the team lacks any real height other than williams. gregory played his best game vs. bc but the question remains can he be consistent. bowie would be better off coming off the bench and playing off the ball. padgett needs to step up and gary might as well get parker in the game if for only to play defense on the perimeter using his size and athleticism and allow him to use his jumping ability to try to get some rebounds.
My thoughts
I think Gary will stick with the current starters through the Duke game. After that…
I see the starters being:
Bowie
Stoglin
Mosely
Gregory
Williams (DD!)
Stoglin is a natural point guard and scorer. Bowie is neither. Stoglin is too small to guard anybody at the 2 spot.
Just my opinion, but Gary won’t bench Mosley, for fear of damaging the Baltimore connection. And yeah, he plays d and rebounds, but you need scoring at the 2 spot and somebody who can be a threat in the haf court offense. Will this be Faust’s spot next year anyway?
Tucker has to be the biggest disappointment on the team. I wonder if he would be better off at the 2 spot where he would face smaller players rather than the 3 where he is overmatched. Either Hawk or Padge should be starting at the 3, not Tucker. After all, how in the world can you play three guards when none of them brings consistent scoring or an outside shooting threat to the game and you get pounded on the boards? The answer is real simple: you can’t.
My lineup would be:
1) Stoglin (Bowie, Howard)
2) Tucker (Mosley, Howard)
3) Hawk or Padge (Tucker, Parker)
4) Dino (Weiss, Padge)
5) DD
I too would like to see Parker play. He seems to be the wild card in Maryland’s future.
When it's all said and done
Gary decides. HOF
by PaTerp on Dec 14, 2010 10:47 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Tentative, tentative, tentative
Bowie and Cliff play scared in the half court offense. I don’t know how people can cite their ACC experience as any type of benefit because they don’t show that experience on the court.
No change in line up near term.
But playing time will continue to tilt in favor of the subs it things continue status quo.
I think the saying is
“on a short leash” and “a quick hook”… together, it’s a hybrid “on a quick leash?” hmmm

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