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Dropping Lance Doesn't Make Sense

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By now, a lot of people have followed Jeff Barker's lead and re-reported that Lance is not going to Maryland. Every second that passes, it seems that this story gains more credibility. So, what does it all mean?

First, I think it's important to point out that there are two very distinct situations here. The first is that all the noise being made, all the "he'll never go to college here" talk, was actually leading to something. There was actually something behind the scenes that could've tarnished the program - maybe he didn't take his SAT ala Derrick Rose, maybe we knew he accepted money, something like that. And if that is the case, and if the coaches knew about whatever it is, this is the completely correct decision. I would never want to be in the situation we were in 20 years ago when Gary fell into our lap, and I would never want to be in the situation Memphis is in right now.

However, there is a second (more likely, in my opinion, simply because I'm cynical) possibility - the staff got cold feet. If they learned nothing new about Lance's situation and got scared of the swirling rumors, then it's the wrong decision, but at least a little understandable. However, Jeff Barker's blog points out that they stopped recruiting him three weeks ago. Three weeks ago would equate to about May25th, way earlier than any school dropped him. That's also way before Greivis made his decision - even though I'm confident he told the school before yesterday, I couldn't believe he made his decision three weeks ago. That's being way too conservative toward Lance, and way too liberal in believing Greivis will return. Of course, there's a possiblity this decision had nothing to do with Greivis, which would make me even angrier.

If the staff learned nothing new on Lance, I'm incredulous toward this decision. By all indications, Maryland was the leader. Why would you let up now? Sure, there's a possibility he's tainted, but if you don't know for sure, then there's nothing wrong with taking the chance. If he screwed up awhile ago big time, then he's screwed, but Maryland isn't in any trouble. If he gets suspended for a few games, is it really that big of a deal that he isn't worth taking?

If they did let up early with no indication of trouble, I would assume Gary & Co. believes the team is "good enough" in 2009-10 to not need Lance. This could be true, depending on how one sees "good enough". Is Top 25 "good enough"? If yes, then maybe they are. But Lance is a gamechanger, a chance to really make a run. With another bona fide scorer on the team, pressure on Greivis is relieved, he becomes more effective, and there's a safety net if he has a cold streak. Like I said yesterday, this is a top 25 team with Greivis, but a possible Elite 8-caliber team with Greivis and Lance. That certainly seems to me like something worth taking a small chance in.

I already mentioned this, almost verbatim, but I like the point it makes: this same school just a year ago was trying their damnedest to get Tyree Evans, a three-time convict. We're okay with weed, guns, and statuatory rape, but we draw the line at a website, negative body language, and some rumors on eligibility?

Also, I'm okay with letting up the way Florida and Arizona did - stopping before they started. But after the trips to NYC and the effort poured into landing him? It seems like a giant waste of resources. They need to follow through at that point.

In case academics could've been an issue, Lance Sr. said that Lance definitely qualified. I'm pretty sure that Debbie Yow would not have stood in the way of Lance getting an academic exception, just in case he wouldn't qualify for Maryland - she has to know full well the anger that ensue. I doubt academics were a big deal here.

I would again like to point out that all this anger is in assumption that there's no fire behind the smoke. If Lance ends up at a JUCO school or Florida International, I'll be okay with it - tha'ts a pretty good indicator that something's not right. If he goest to Kentucky or Memphis, I'll be pissed.

I would also like to point out that everything above is assuming that the Sun is accurate. "Sources" have been wrong an incredible amount of times in this recruitment. That fact alone should make you wary, but when combined with Barker saying the Terps haven't been in it since May 25th at the latest (we don't know how long he's been sitting on this info), it's difficult to believe.

Remember, Maryland was in Lance's final three on June 5th, 12 whole days after the supposed drop. Lance Sr. said he talks with the coaches, implying that he's done it within, oh, about two weeks. I would think that Gary and Co. would inform Lance that they wouldn't take him as soon as they made the decision. So why was Lance still listing Maryland? Gary doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would fail to tell a recruit he's not welcome. And even if they didn't tell Lance that they wouldn't take him, would they be calling him? Doubtful. Would Stretch then be saying he talks with the coaches if he hadn't talked with them in two weeks? Just saying, something's not right there.

Of course, that doesn't mean the source isn't valid. It should, however, instill some healthy doubt in you.

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Could the issue be who handles the ball?

I was just speaking with someone about this and he seemed to be under the assumption that Lance wanted to play the 1 spot. The timing of this story would make more sense if that were the case as he would never get the handle over GV (although the claim that the decision to back off of his recruitment weeks ago still wouldn’t fit).

I thought that Lance was a 2 and certainly from what I’ve seen from film he get’s frustrated somewhat easily and will chuck careless passes. I wouldn’t want him to have the lions share of the ball handling responsibilities.

by jaypee on Jun 16, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haven't heard him wanting to play the 1

Not really his style. I would be surprised if he ended up playing the 1.

I think the decision was made from our end anyway, not his.

by Ben Broman on Jun 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the B-Sun reporting but....

I’m not totally convinced this is legit, and I won’t be until i see some names.

by GoTerpsBaby on Jun 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you know the station?

Didn’t hear that, do you know the station it was?

by Ben Broman on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont believe it

this isnt true and also it said on zags blog that he had a quote from his father that we had been recruiting him everyday even when people were counting us out

by Terpsfan2189 on Jun 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see two alternatives

First off, let me say that I never bought the “Greivas in, Lance out” scenario, and I would love to see Lance in a Terps uniform even for one year. So I hope this is all bs, but two possibilities immediately come to mind:

  1. Maryland has been out for a while, and Lance’s dad has been lying for some weeks. Why? Because a lot of teams have been going cold on Stevenson, and it helps his case if he’s still “in play.” I could see Gary letting the dad maintain the charade if he thought it would help Lance. Nevermind that it makes UMD look a little needy to hold out hope well into June. Gary is a player’s coach, and I could see him cutting a young man at least that much slack.
  1. Opinions on Stevenson are divided, and a faction within the AD Office and/or coaching staff confirmed Baker’s suspicions to kibosh his recruitment. It’s going to be hard to put this genie back in the bottle.

Maybe it’s both. Maybe they gave Stevenson some time to stay officially “in play” with MD but are just plain tired of the drama so leaked to Baker.

Of course I hope it’s all bs and Born Ready ends up in CP! It’ll be good for him and probably good for the Terps as well.

by texasterp on Jun 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just dont' think

there is any need to take a risk

we are top 25 on paper…we have all the backcourt we need…

by tiimbitz4786 on Jun 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Taking a risk could lead to a reward

If you’re content with a top 25 team, then yes, there’s no reason to take a risk. But Lance, as I’ve said, could vault MD into the same level as some of the top teams in the country. Could he implode? Yeah, but that’s the risk you take. I personally don’t think he will. And could he lose a few games of eligibility? Sure, but that’s on him, not us.

by Ben Broman on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't think Gary thinks he will help the team anymore

i think the most likely scenario was that we were pursuing him as a fall back in case GV didn’t come back…

if he had committed early, and vaz came back, at the time we were willing to put up with the mess of having such a logjam in the backcourt and a premadana type who has to get 35 mins per game…

now that gv has committed our backcourt is filled up…and thankfully br hasn’t committed to us yet so we can simply stop pursuing him

the last thing potential recruits in the top 150 (like cliff, bowie or hayes) want to feel like is that if they commit here, we will sign some young gun even when it’s not a need to take up there spot and force them out of town…we don’t pride ourselves on doign that to kids the way cal does…

if BR came something would have to give…tucker would be forced to transfer in all likelihood…mosely and bowie would see their minutes go way down after promising campaigns last year…hayes would have his senior season be the season he plays the least since his freshman year…and who knows if we’d even be better…it’d be an explosive, unnecessary situation

we don’t need that

it makes perfect sense

by tiimbitz4786 on Jun 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure

That’s a worst-case scenario, IMO. I highly doubt Lance would play 35 mins a game, or even want to. 35 is a lot of PT, even for someone who wants the ball as much as Lance does. Also, get him away from his dad and see if his personality changes.

I also don’t see Gary recruiting someone as a backup plan, then leaving them out to dry when plan A rolls around. You mentioned this earlier yourself – it’s not his style. I really want to believe that they found something behind the scenes and Lance ends up elsewhere, because that would make so much more sense.

Lance is the type of talent that can transform a team. I’m pretty sure Bowie and Tucker would be fine with playing a few less minutes a game if the team was in the top 20 all year long. I also don’t see why Tucker would be forced to transfer. The space is there. We play a three guard, sometimes four guard set. Would he be playing 20 mins a game? Probably not. But he’ll get PT.

I’ll give you that it’s a risk. But there’s a huge possible reward. Sometimes you have to risk a few feelings getting hurt if you’re going to be an elite program, like a Duke or UNC.

I will say that the more time passes, the more okay I become with it. I’m still pissed that we wasted all the resources on a backup plan, a top 10 player in the nation backup plan at that, and I wished we would’ve kept going, but it could be worse.

by Ben Broman on Jun 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dropping Lance....

I agree with t4786 on this one. There was a certain “chemistry” that was in the team last year, pure overachievers by all accounts. All of them are back except one senior who played way over his head at times, and now we have 3? seniors who are starters and 2 big men freshman with huge potential who should get plenty of playing time. Why screw that up with a guy who expects to be the go to guy right off the bat, and screw up the chemistry that was established last year. When these freshmen come in they will be molded by Gary. It does not sound like Lance will accept that kind of discipline as a Prima donna type who expects to go right to the NBA after the season is over. I say leave Lance alone and mold this team for the future.

by Ortho1 on Jun 16, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree w/ bits & pieces

..of the comments above. It won’t work w/ Lance and Greivis in the backcourt. Yes, I do think Lance was a backup if Greivis syaed in the draft. I think Lance is the type of player who needs the ball in his hands. He doesn’t need to necessarily run the point but the offense needs to run through him kind of like they do used to do in Cleveland w/ LEbron at the top of the key breaking down the D. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

by Rome Grant on Jun 16, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dropping Lance

Anyone think that Greivis had some input into the decision to drop Lance. Did he say he would come back but he did not want Lance here as well. Or is he pushing for Lance to come, or is he ambivelant about the whole thing. I would guess he has an opinion and some say in the matter since how he (Greivis) performs this year will have an impact on his future draft prospects. When you are talking about making millions of dollars as a pro, I would think a decision like this is important.

There are so many variables here it is hard to decipher all the thoughts that go into the decision making process. Sometimes it defies normal logic, at least for me. Each person involved has their own agenda and goals, and sometimes I wonder if everyone is on the same page. Yeah, everybody wants to win the ACC and a NC, but there are so many “alternative” pieces to this puzzle. College basketball is not as pure as it used to be, obviously. Win one for the Gipper is as outdated as Leave it ti Beaver or Ozzie and Harriet. For you young dudes, go look those shows up. I am young enough to appreciate the caliber and thought process of players that are coming out of high school and AAU, but am old enough to understand the mentality of wearing a schools “letter” on a cardigan sweater. I have older siblings who did just that and it was that pride that drove them to succeed in sports. Things have changed and not for the better.

by Ortho1 on Jun 16, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt gary williams

would let a player tell him who to recruit

come on this is gary…

by tiimbitz4786 on Jun 16, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By all accounts, Greivis wanted Lance

Greivis definitely wanted Lance. I know he mentioned him in a few interviews.

by Ben Broman on Jun 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dropping Lance

Yeah, I know, but who really knows the specific dynamics of the situation except the people intimately involved. I doubt Gary can be told what to do, but isn’t it possible for him to be swayed one way or the other. If you have kids you know what I am talking about. Most of us are just speculating based on the info that is put out by people who are supposedly “in the know”. I doubt we will ever get the whole story, the behind the scenes truth, until years from now. Anyway, I am glad G came back and Gary can start to build this team again.

by Ortho1 on Jun 16, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We are missing the key point....

Lance never wanted to come to UMD. We were never high on his list to begin with and it showed through out the entire recruitment process. Only once the big names like KU UK Memphis….. started dropping off did UMD move to the " front " of his list. Why would we even want a player that decides to come to maryland only after he has been rejected over and over again. The one thing 08-09 time had was chemistry and heart. Every game they left it all on the court. Why would we want to ruin that chemistry by bringing a me first player and his marketing team family to our great program. Let him go ruin someone elses program ala Derrick Rose/O.J. Mayo.

by ccrun1800 on Jun 17, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't be so confident he didn't want to come to Maryland

Sure, he’d rather have gone to Kansas, but a lot of players that come through the program rather would’ve played for UNC but never got the offer, or guys who go through the football program want to play for an SEC school but aren’t quite good enough. It’s not uncommon and we shouldn’t drop people for that reason. Roscoe Smith might be waiting on a UNC offer – if he were to commit today because he was tired of waiting, would you not take him?

Besides, it was only one school that dropped him (Kansas) before we were #1. By all indications, he actually liked Maryland and wanted to be here.

by Ben Broman on Jun 17, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he were to commit today because he was tired of waiting, would you not take him?

Dude I love blog I have been reading it form the sidelines since its inception. This whole BR saga and its ongoing twist and turns is just too much though and I had to open an account to comment. UMD did take a player like you mentioned above….Chris Wilcox . He was the final piece in that NT team puzzle. Lance is not that piece. Nor is he going to stay long enough so we can build a team around him.

This one and done rule is killing college Basketball. These kids are just using programs as a springboard to the league and whatever mess they leave behind is not there problem. We may not graduate all of them but I like the fact we get committed ball players who stay all four years.

Also I think your second opinion is the far more likely one. The NCAA is starting to pay more attention to the programs that are recruiting one and done players.

by ccrun1800 on Jun 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just say no!

A player just passing through on the way to the NBA is focussing on himself and his play will reflect it. This is all too much expended time and energy and potential risk (to the program and team chemistry) for someone that doesn’t plan on being here past this year and will be more focussed on his stats/place on the draft board. I’m looking forward to supporting the team we have, which is much different than the slight feeling of dread of last few years. Not having him on the team will just prevent the Duke and UNC fans from complaining that the only reason we beat them was our one-and-doner.

by The District on Jun 17, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Would you take Will Barton?

If WB decommitted from Memphis and came to Maryland, would you turn him away because he’s a one-and-doner?

And Lance is extremely competitive and seemingly always wants to win. Look at the McDonald’s second half – easily the best player out there and actually seemed to care. If he came for one year, I’m confident he would care about winning, not just his draft status.

(And welcome!)

by Ben Broman on Jun 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No No No

If you know a player is or has stated he intends to stay one year and gone, leave him alone. Where is K-state right now. Are they even being considered in the national rankings now? NO! Because they did not establish a pattern of recruiting and DEVELOPING players. At this level players are essentially learning the game with the possibility of advancing to the next level if they have the goods to do so. What happens to the multitide of players who “think” they are the next LeBron but get shown the door at the NBA level. How many if them come back to finish their degrees once the scholly drys up? How many of them end up in the big dance? I am sure one of you guys has the stats. What real good does it do a PROGRAM to have 1&dones overall. How many programs have had them only to have a fleeting moment with notority, and soon to be forgotten in the big picture.

And that is not what is is all about in my view anyway. As much as I hate Duke, look at what has happened at that school. They are ALWAYS mentioned as a potential final 4 or whatever because of the recruits. Same with NC now. Who on these teams screams…I AM ONE AND DONE!!!! Yeah, they do get a few guys who bolt, but overall, most stay for the duration……Team Chemistry….play to each persons strengths and weaknesses (sp?).

(Where is the spell checker on this site?)

“Lance is extremely competitive and seemingly always wants to win”.

BB…..do you think that the players we have don’t feel that way? The current crop of players may not be as “talented” physically as LS, but I would rather live and die by the David Neals of the college basketball world, than to deal with the Lances. Give me Greivous, Neal, Tucker and other guys with HEART, PASSION AND DESIRE anyday over any prima donna wanna be. Just me sayin……..It translate to the real world.

by Ortho1 on Jun 17, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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