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Charm City Challenge Tomorrow

I'll be attending the Charm City Challenge tomorrow, getting a in person view of two of Maryland's 2009 commits - Jordan Williams and James Padgett. 

Jordan and James will both be playing on the same team, so it will be nice to see if they establish a dynamic playing together. 

There will be several other D1 players participating in the game tomorrow as well.

From Baltimoresun.com:

Among others participating will be Antoine Allen from Mississippi Christian Academy, who will attend Miami; Andrew Fitzgerald of Brewster Academy, who will attend Oklahoma; and Jordan Dumars, the son of former NBA guard Joe Dumars, who has committed to South Florida.

Should be a lot of fun to watch. I'll have a post tomorrow evening on my thoughts about both Jordan and James. Another possible Terp target, Terrell Vinson, might be participating tomorrow, but that appears to still be up in the air.

Can't wait to see what these two can do. What are your thoughts on Padgett and Williams?

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Padgett and Williams

What we need from them depends on a lot of things…

I’m hoping that GV comes back despite the fact that TTK says it’s not happening…

That would mean that we wouldn’t need either of them to score other than on easy lay ups or when they get the ball in great position…

If GV doesn’t come…I think we need one of them to develop into a 10ppg type player next year…from all accounts Williams can do that…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TTK?

who’s that? So Greivis is lookin to leave? That just dosn’t make sense! Everyone is saying that he “needs” to stay in school! “His jumper isnt consistent enough and he lacks lateral quickness” Only God knows how many times i’ve heard that! But if he leaves hopefuly he’ll stay in the NBA and not go play in Europe!

And about Williams and Padgett, tiim you said it best, if Greivis leaves Lance wont come and we’ll have to have someone contriubute alot in the paint!

by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 5, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keith from Terrapin Times

A guy with inside info who is normally right but at times has been wrong…let’s hope he is this time…

grevis apparently wants the money for his family…his father died last year….can’t blame him

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Keith,

 my bad, well if the family is in need like they seem to be, i’m all for it! But i can only pray that he goes 1st round!

by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the other way around

Re: GV and Lance, it’s more likely that Lance’s decision will affect GV’s, not vice versa. Lance will probably choose a school long before GV makes his final draft decision, and if he chooses MD, GV is probably more likely to stay. As for TTK, he’s been wrong enough that I don’t automatically buy into anything he says. GV may leave for the reasons mentioned, but I don’t think it’s decided yet.

Re: Williams and Padgett:
I’ve heard Williams’ coach compare him to Hasheem Thabeet, which seemed odd to me at first, but the more I’ve seen of both of them them the more I can see the comparison. Both are very solid and composed on both ends of the floor…generally not flashy, but can both be game changers. Of course, Thabeet has a good 3-4 inches on Williams, but I think Jordan can be a very strong player in that mold. Probably a little more offensive potential, and less defensive potential. He has the best hands and composure inside of anyone we’ve had since Baxter.

Padgett reminds me of Gist with (from reports) a more developed offensive game in terms of his footwork and ability to convert inside looks. I’d expect something like 6-8 pts 4-5 rebs 1-2 blks per game from him pretty much right away.

by jellisjenius on Apr 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope you're right

with all these comparisons, but i do not want a “Thabeet” type of player! He is probably the most overrated kid in the nation!

by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 5, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you close to him?

Is TTK close to him?

Not attacking you, but stuff gets lost in translation a lot. If you’re not a good pal, and TTK isn’t (I would doubt that he is), you don’t know who is saying what and how they’re saying it. Besides, GV has publicly said Lance’s decision will affect his. Of course, he could’ve been lying, but that’s what I have to go off of, and it’s moderately encouraging.

by Ben Broman on Apr 5, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“i do not want a "Thabeet" type of player! He is probably the most overrated kid in the nation!”


I don’t know you and I don’t know where you’re coming from with that statement, but you would have a hard time getting even one knowledgeable basketball analyst, scout, or coach to agree with you on that. Without Thabeet, UConn may not even make the NCAA Tournament, let alone get to the Final 4. And he will be an NBA lottery pick this year, probably the second pick after Blake Griffin. You can believe whatever you want, but 99% of MD fans and supporters (and GW as well) would be thrilled to have a Thabeet-type player.

by jellisjenius on Apr 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry dude, i didnt realize stating my opinion was such a serious offense!

1st off, Where was Thabeet last night when the game was on the line?…….sideline! Why dont you call him and tell him to MAN UP! Thats an opportunity he’ll NEVER have again! And i would take Thabeet but I said i wouldnt want Jordan Williams to be like Thabeet, Thabeet since day one was put on a pedastool like he was Shaq or something! He has no offensive game! All his buckets come from his length, grabbing rebound and cleaning up shots off the rim.

by FEARtheTERP1 on Apr 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chip on your shoulder?

Why such hate for Thabeet? Sounds like it’s personal for you…
I’m no fan of Calhoun or the Hu$kie$ program, believe me, but Thabeet has never struck me as an attitude problem or a guy you don’t want on your team. He’s from Africa, he’s still really learning the game, he works hard and as far as I can tell is a good teammate. He was put on a pedastal because of his natural abilities, it’s not his fault. He’s not Shaq, but he’ll be a great defensive guy ala Mutombo at the next level. Anyway, like I said, I think Williams has a more refined offensive game, but either way, a Thabeet-quality post player would still be much better offensively than what we put on the court this season.

by jellisjenius on Apr 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's get along...

clearly thabeet is good…no need to fight over it…

i came in here like you did…hemming and hawing and disagreeing with everyone…i quickly realized everyone here is good ppl and we should just disagree agreeably

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh...tiim

Since when have you been a peace-maker? :P

by Ben Broman on Apr 5, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's called self improvement...improvement

since i don’t live on the east coast anymore…i rely on these message boards for info, fan feedback etc….best not to burn bridges…and kharma is a bitch…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you...

About disagreeing agreeably. I tend to react pretty strongly when people attack players for no apparent reason (our own players are often at the receiving end of this). Often I try to debate with people who just post stuff off the cuff and don’t back it up, but it’s interpreted as a personal attack and I get inflammatory responses rather than a good, healthy debate. But yes, there are times that I lack self control and get a little too fired up. I will make an effort to be agreeable.

by jellisjenius on Apr 6, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

same thing happens to me from time to time…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 6, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TTK is that you?
“incorrect…those close to grevis are saying that he wants to go pro regardless”

And are you one of “those close to grevis” (spelled incorrectly btw)? You’d better demonstrate some bona fides before you go making statements like that. Even Zagoria with all his connections can’t get away with claiming he knows the truth based on people “close to” someone (in his case Lance), so I’m not inclined to buy the unsubstantiated statements of some random message board poster. Everything I claimed is more or less common knowledge, your claim is rather different. In fact, the standing quote from GV is that he would be more likely to stay if Lance came to MD.

by jellisjenius on Apr 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no need to be combative...i'm just reporting what ttk has said

you can chose to disregard if it makes you feel better…

i think there is probably some truth to it…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...

You say not to be combative, but isn’t it rather combative to start your post with “Incorrect”, not to mention that you followed it by presenting rumors as fact? If you want to say you disagree with my assessment of TTK, ok, but don’t just write me off. It is a fact that TTK has been wrong before on plenty of occasions. It’s also a fact that GV has proven himself to be fickle and to say lots of things that get misinterpreted, even by those close to him.

All that aside, from an objective standpoint, GV will be lucky to be drafted at all in the 2009 draft class, let alone in the first round. With guys like Danny Green and Tyrese Rice projected as late 2nd round picks, I just don’t see it for Greivis. If he’s really worried about providing for his family, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him in Europe. But I can guarantee he’ll be told the same thing Strawberry and Ibekwe were told after their junior years – go back to school. He might have a better shot in 2010, particularly if he gains consistency on his jumper. I hope he listens, but I think that has yet to be determined.

by jellisjenius on Apr 5, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude get over yourself...

We all hope he comes back…none of us know…it’s not worth fighting over….

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, it’s not worth fighting over. And I don’t think this has anything to do with “getting over” myself – I tend to post long messages because I like to try to explain myself and use facts instead of just making some blanket statement that could be open to misinterpretation. It’s just my way of communicating in this context, sometimes it’s appreciated and sometimes not, but I have no control over that.

by jellisjenius on Apr 6, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Padgett and WIlliams

I think both these guys will be very important players if the Terps want to improve next year. The Terps had solid guard play, and Milbourne played well as a forward, but the thing the Terps lacked was a post presence. Milbourne is a forward, but he is not the best back to the basket post up guy. That’s just not his game. I think the Terps will need either Padgett or WIlliams to step and be the true post presence that the Terps lacked in 08.

If Greivis does stay, Born Ready decides to commit, and one of the big men can become the post presence, the Terps could do very well next season.

by Joshv37 on Apr 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If GV stays it helps these big guys out so much

takes the pressure off of them next year….i’m not sure that BR would have that effect until i see him play against real college players…I’m inclined to think he will have a big time impact if he comes to college park…but he still has to prove it no matter where he goes

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think BR is more important than a lot of people think

I know he’s very talented, and will more than likely only be there for one year, but I think he would be an incredibly important player, not just for the basketball, but for what he does for the program. I thing that when other recruits see a team get a very high profile recruit go to a school, it does a lot to raise the recognition of the school, and leads the way for other big guys to come to UMD.

I really hope the guy commits here, and I also hope that GV stays. GV and BR would be one of the top backcourts in the country.

by Joshv37 on Apr 5, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it sure would

GV is an all acc player if he comes back…he’s that good of a college player…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deal w/ Vasquez

If Stephenson comes, he stays. If he doesn’t, he’s going pro in either the NBA or Europe.

I’ll have more on the game today shortly.

by Dave Tucker on Apr 5, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

where did you hear that?

not being accusational…just would like to know if that’s an opinion or if you heard it from someone

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 5, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: where I heard that

1 degree of separation from Vasquez is where I heard that.

by Dave Tucker on Apr 6, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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