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Terrence Ross Decommits, Considering Duke

I wish today was April 1st and the above headline was just a sick joke. Unfortunately, its December 30th and Terrence Ross has indeed made it official: He is no longer committed to the University of Maryland. 

The news comes from a couple sources, most notably from recruiting analyst Clint Jackson who recently tweeted "Terrence Ross decommits from Maryland."  Also, the Duke Rivals' site has the exclusive with the headline "EXCLUSIVE: Terrence Ross a Duke option?"  As a third (and more stalkerish) source, I can tell you that Terrence Ross has declared over Facebook, in no uncertain terms, that he is opening it back up again but that Maryland still has a decent chance. 

Its hard to put into words how big of a blow this is for Maryland.  Ross was the Terps' biggest recruit over the last couple years and was expected to be the centerpiece of the recruiting class that would bring Maryland basketball back to national prominence.  This was supposed to be Gary's last hoorah.  Instead, the staff may be left trying to pick up the pieces and fill a void that simply can not be filled.  

What's going on here is anybody's guess. There's been rumors of Nike pushing Ross towards a Nike affiliated school (both Duke and Kentucky are Nike schools) and there's been new rumors that Duke commit and fellow Montrose teammate Josh Hairston have been pushing him towards Duke.  Separating fact from fiction can be difficult but this much we know is true, Ross is no longer solid to MD and Duke is one of the schools he's considering.  

The whole situation brings up a lot of questions and issues, and we could probably do a series of posts discussing each one.  I'll briefly address a few of them. 

Star-divide

Coach K: When did Mr. USA basketball get so desperate that he needs to recruit players who are already committed to other schools.  Furthermore, what does it say about Coach K's professionalism when he recruits a player who is committed to a well respected, HOF coach, that Coach K has battled with for the last 20 years.  

I would expect this stuff from Calipari or Calhoun, but not Mr. USA basketball.  If anything, I guess this shows that Coach K is feeling a little heat down there in Durham.  Maybe he realizes that Roy Williams is destroying him at his own game. Maybe Harrison Barnes choosing UNC over Duke pushed him over the edge.  I don't really know. I do know this, though.  Duke used to have its pick of  McDonalds All-Americans.  After years of doing nothing significant in the postseason and being beaten on the trail by Ol' Roy, it seems like Coach K is stooping to new tactics.  

Gary's recruiting: It's been talked about at nauseam in the media, on message boards, and even by the AD.  I don't want to make this into a debate between the Gary defenders and anti-Gary people but I've got a feeling that this is where its heading. I don't think this thing is necessarily Gary's fault. It's also hard to point the finger when we don't know all the facts.  Regardless, the anti-Gary people are going to have a field day with this one. 

A "Commitment":  I know Terrence Ross is just a kid, and I'm sure he's got pressure from a lot of people pushing him in different directions, but how do personally recruit Mychal Parker to come join you in College Park, and then ditch him months later and consider the rival school?  How do you play pickup with the team throughout the summer, bond with players, and the decommit and consider Duke?  I just don't get it.  I'm know its the die-hard, irrational Terp in me, but I do not understand how you can profess nothing but love for Maryland, and then back out on all that and consider Duke.

Some food for thought:  If Terrence Ross does end up a blue devil (just reading that sentence makes me throw-up a little) is there any doubt he will be the most hated player in MD history?  If you thought Maryland fans gave J.J. Reddick a hard time, imagine what Ross will get when he visits Comcast once a year.  Note to ESPN: don't do a live-feed of the MD/Duke game in College Park if Ross ends up a Dookie.  

Look, I hope Terrence Ross is still a Terp.  Matter of fact, there's still a semi-decent chance that Terrence Ross does end up a Terp.  If he signs on the dotted line for Maryland and Gary, this fan base will no doubt support him with all we've got.  

But right now, it's not looking great.  You rarely see a player recommit to a school after decommiting. If he ends up elsewhere (especially Duke), it will be another chapter in the sad, depressing story that is Maryland basketball recruiting.  

Feel free to post your frustrations below. 

Happy New Year, everybody. 

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this is just awful

what did his facebook say?

by UMDterp31 on Dec 30, 2009 3:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please remember that TR will be reading this.

Hopefully he ends up here.

by nmprisons on Dec 30, 2009 4:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I honestly doubt what we post here has any bearing on his decision.

by mariolucasforthree on Dec 30, 2009 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This sucks

I agree with everything posted above and feel just sucky about the whole situation. Seriously, how can you know anything about Maryland and say Duke is a top choice? That’s just vindictive, honestly. I hope he figures out that shoe companies aren’t always the best people to listen to on life decisions such as which college to go to and ends up coming here, but I don’t think that will be the case.

Please don’t bash Gary for this one. Unless something comes out that he personally did, it seems like Ross acted completely on his own (with some help from outsiders) and that Gary and Co. did everything right…

by DoronTam on Dec 30, 2009 6:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roscoe Smith?

Can we now please go after Roscoe Smith…we need to get some of these in-state kids so they know better than to decommit and go to Dook.

by word2bigbird on Dec 30, 2009 6:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

terrible way to wake up…i guess it’s understandable, and i know we still have a chance with him, but enough is enough with losing local kids…i know he’s originally from the NW, but we’ve got to get better at landing instate talent

by terpsfan202 on Dec 30, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i heard ross denies this story. my source is close to the u of m maybe you can check twitter or something like that to see if he is on that

by fkterp on Dec 30, 2009 8:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Big deal it'll be even funnier watching Duke go out in the 2nd round every year

Big deal. Its not like this guy alone is going to win anyone a national championship, and there is little chance he’ll ever win one in Durham. Let him go to Duke with their withering legacy and be part of the end of that. Or get to a vacated final four for Kentucky and Mr “Woops I guess we just blew the national champiosnhip bc I can’t coach” Calipari. The players we get Gary will make better and in the end we’ll be right there with Duke and UNC like every other year.

Personally I’d like to see what Tucker and Bowie can do in the backcourt next year with Mosley who is the NBA talent we already have.

Jordan Williams > Gus Gilchrist (say hi to Terrelle Woody when he’s cooking your streak at Sizzler)
Sean Mosely > Jeff Jones (who went to UVA-see you in March when they bring back the tourney for teams who can’t make the NIT)
Who even knows what happened to the big guy who decommitted and went to Lousville? Or the guy at Kent State or wherever?

by settleten on Dec 30, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Facebook:

Terrence Ross: All the maryland fans calm down, UMD is still in my top 5 ill make decision in th spring.

Probably #5, behind dook, kentucky and apparently two others. Awesome

by The Fin on Dec 30, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sigh

Terrence, if you read this, know that you’re giving up something great.

1) Yes, you can go to Duke, but if you go there, you wont necesarily be the star. You’ll be an offensive “option”

2) If you go to MD, you will be the OUTRIGHT star of this team by your sophomore year. Beloved by fans.

3) If were talking about sneakers, if you go to Nike, youll be just another person in their lineup. Maybe at first theyll offer more money…

4) …but, If you go to an Under Armour school, a company thats really rising up right now, you will be one of the VERY FEW players under the UA brand. What does this mean? It means you might very well be the face of their basketball line= more exposure, more popularity, more money, more sponsorship.

5) Duke has seen people in the past, you’ll just be another player

6) MD hasnt had anyone amazing since the 2002 natty. If you go to MD, you will be the most beloved player in a decade. You will be heralded as the SAVIOR of Terrapins basketball.

Ultimately this is your decision, but remember that you’re the key to our future. At this juncture, you’ll either be our most loved player, or otherwise the most hated player.

I want to continue loving you as a player, just as I did when you first committed.

by aMo on Dec 30, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

acutally, this applies to every school

not just duke. kentucky, kansas, all of them are the same.

one last point.

7) Consider the location.
            Duke= in the middle of nowhere, closest “big” city is Charlotte.
            Kentucky= seriously? I mean, theres a couple cow farms I guess.
            Kansas= see above

            MARYLAND= literally 20-30 mins away from Baltimore and DC… FRIKKIN AMAZING CITIES WITH LOTS OF LIFE, LOTS OF CULTURE

dont pass up this chance to be our hero please

by aMo on Dec 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about Connecticut?

Take it from someone who’s lived there 19 of his 23 years – there is some serious corruption going on to make you want to go to Storrs.

Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Dec 30, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s become rather clear that this is about Nike, and Vetter has no say. It’s probably wise to give up all hope on getting Ross and be pleasantly surprised (shocked?) if some miracle happens and he decides to ignore the Nike pressure.

I don’t think CJ Leslie or Roscoe Smith are even on the radar at this point…we missed those boats long ago. Maybe Pe’Shon Howard…

Also, anyone who is considering getting an inside membership at IMS, TT, etc….don’t do it. It’s a very depressing time to be an “insider” right now.

by jellisjenius on Dec 30, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love College (MD) Hoops but...

I’m starting to get really disgusted with it. It is just too oily these days and getting worse every year. As long as the money keeps flowing through/to big programs you see your Calipari’s and Calhoun’s slide right along through the NCAA sewers that are pumping out cash like sewage.

Nike, Addias, AAU…I’m shocked that there is enough interest in the next level/professional level to finance all of this as their product has sucked for the last decade.

just rambling now…just very disenchanted with the whole thing right now…

by jaypee on Dec 30, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not really sure what to say

I’d rather it be Duke rather than the vortices of slime that are Coach Cal or Connecticut at least to see Duke @ MD be more of a circus than it already is.

Plus, the Terps would win anyway so it’s not a big deal.

When’s our next game again? I hope it’s soon.

Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Is Vinny Del Negro fired yet?

by ES46NE10 on Dec 30, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seems to me...

Duke became a vortex of slime with this recruiting move.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Dec 31, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stu vetter in terrapin times says ross going to maryland

by fkterp on Dec 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone seen anything concrete on this?

Aside from the guy’s tweet, I can’t find anything.

by Dave Tucker on Dec 30, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are you friends with him on FB?

Because he’s profile is private, so unless someone is friends with him, I don’t know how people are seeing this…

by Dave Tucker on Dec 30, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with the new facebook privacy setings, you can see whatever they choose to make public

tross has made his wall public, including his status updates, which reference him having decommitted.

by aMo on Dec 30, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

now a bunch of terps fans are posting on his wall.

Poor taste, give him room to do his thing, a bunch of disgruntled msgs from Terps fans aren’t gonna help a bit. Probably gone for good anyway- but please remember the Duke & Kentucky articles were most certainly speculative/ wishful thinking. No use getting upset about what other schools may be in the mix until a decision is made.

by Sephtical on Dec 30, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just about to say the same thing.

Thank you, sephtical.

On another note, I really just don’t understand his decision. He seemed so excited. His last two profile pictures have been:

1) A picture of him in a Terps practice jersey with a Maryland background.
2) A picture of him in front of the inside doors at Cole Field House.

I hope he still has that same excitement…

by kckb8 on Dec 30, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Money talks

He may not be getting it, but I’d bet SOMEONE around him is from Nike or somewhere else. Somebody’s getting paid. It’s just not T-Ross.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Dec 31, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HERE’S MY GUESS. IT’S GRADES OR S A T SCORE. NO WAY HE’S GOING TO DUKE. IF HE C N’T GET INTO MARYLAND HE’S NOT GOING TO GET INTO DUKE. IF IT’S GRADES OR S A T HE’LL GO TO KENTUCKY, CT. OREGON, OREGON ST. CINC. SOMEWHERE WHERE GRADES ARE NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.

by fkterp on Dec 30, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, MD athletic standards > Duke's

Stems back to the Len Bias tragedy. Duke has the ability to get more lower-grade people into school than MD does.

by Dave Tucker on Dec 30, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Remember Chris Duhon?

by Ben Broman on Dec 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Maybe we should let the womens assistants recruit him. throw a little of that salary around.

Seriously, I dont really care. He is a high school kid and I’ll cheer the kids that do come to MD.

by stayon12 on Dec 30, 2009 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

duke will not touch him. not coach k’s way and he’s not duke material academically

by fkterp on Dec 30, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Did you not see what I posted earlier re: Duke athletic academic standards?

I agree Coach K would likely not stab a coach in the back like that, but academic wise, Duke’s standards are lower than Maryland’s…

by Dave Tucker on Dec 30, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think Coach K would NOT stab someone in the back?

He’s a D-1 coach, It’s what they do. Them or their recruiting assistants.

"The moment you stop thinking you're the best, it's time for you to get out the game." -'King' Mo Lawal

by duck on Dec 31, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gary thrives on this.

by s.r.genovese on Dec 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I think we’ll see some of the intensity from this fiasco translate onto the court tonight, especially from Gary’s corner.

by kckb8 on Dec 30, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Couple of thoughts, late to the party

Been w/o internet for the past several hours, so I’m just arriving on the scene. My initial thoughts, if anyone’s interested:

Don’t jump to conclusions here. We don’t know nearly enough about this entire situation to say anything about anyone: it could be Gary, TRoss, K, Cal, anyone.

That said, if it’s a true decommit, I wouldn’t be confident about landing him. Some guys, like Louis Young, end up at the same school. Others, like CJ Leslie, still consider their decommitted school. The vast majority, though, end up elsewhere. It’s rare for a guy to open it back up and land at the same place.

Looking at possible replacements, and Pe’Shon Howard will probably get a look. That means more of a small set again, with Howard and Stogs giving flexibility between the one and two when needed. I’d much rather go back to set, normal positions.

If that’s the route to take, guys like Roscoe Smith and Justin Coleman come back into the equation. Unfortunately, both are serious longshots, due to academics. Maryland has a head start because they’ve already been in contact, but they’ll probably have to look elsewhere. There will be other options that pop up later. (Kind of wish Josh Selby, nutty and all, would be an option, but that’s not happening).

To those that say K wouldn’t do this: disagree. He’s never been that clean, just not Calhoun or Calipari level of dirtiness. He has a lot of respect for Gary, so I don’t think he’d tamper, but once Ross told him he was wavering, he was all over it. I don’t equate that to being dirty, though others may.

I’ll get a post up eventually once I do more ruminating.

by Ben Broman on Dec 30, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stop harrassing this kid

I checked his FB page just now and MD fans are harassing this kid. I sent him message to change his privacy settings, because what most people don’t know is they changed after FB modified there privacy settings a few weeks ago. Now you all need to also stop posting on his wall. He is a HS kid and can change his mind. I’d love him to go here yes, but if he doesn’t life goes on. Apart from the human decency aspect of not harassing him, it could borderline NCAA violations for contacting a recruit by interested parties/boosters of a university. Google search facebook group and recruits and you’ll know what I am talking about.

by terpfan2011 on Dec 30, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thank you!

its quite startling actually

by kckb8 on Dec 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's not coming back...

There is no way he is coming back. Why would he even list us. If he wanted to be at Maryland then he never would have decommited. Hopefully we can find a replacement or Stoglin can step up…

by ATLredskin on Dec 30, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he's gone too

I’m just praying Tobias Harris gets wind of this news and decommits. But dreams don’t always come true…

by callmecostanza on Dec 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

there was already a spot open for him

i dont think this changes anything for him.

by aMo on Dec 30, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This doesn't impact Tobias

Plus, Harris is already signed, sealed, and delivered with his LOI.

by Ben Broman on Dec 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my girlfriend broke up with me yesterday...

but for some reason this news hurts more… =(

by word2bigbird on Dec 30, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol

^
thats all im sayin to that

by terpfan2011 on Dec 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hell The Kid who posted the link to testudotimes

Is an Ohio State Student. Still looks bad for us tho

by terpfan2011 on Dec 30, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

On his fb a kid said you could be a part of this and linked your all decade story. Lol the kid was from ohio state class of 13.

by terpfan2011 on Dec 31, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

We have our real names on the site. If we posted on his FB, it would be pretty obvious.

Guess that’s why he goes to tOSU.

by Ben Broman on Dec 31, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IT’S 100% ABOUT ACADEMICS. REPEAT. IT’S 100% ABOUT ACADEMICS. ROSS DOES NOT HAVE THE GRADES TO GET INTO MARYLAND AT THIS TIME. THERE IS NO OTHER REASON. NOBODY GOT TO HIM AND CONVINCED HIM TO LOOK ELSEWHERE. THE SOURCES I HAVE ARE EXTREMELY GOOD. 2 SOURCES WHO ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE ATHLETIC PROGRAM.

by fkterp on Dec 30, 2009 7:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s a pretty authoritative statement. Can you elaborate?

by Ben Broman on Dec 30, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once a kid commits, it's hands off

Or should be. Billy Gillispie had his problems, but he was adamant about not recruiting someone after a commitment. Mr. USA Basketball gives only lip service.

We’ve seen this before. Recently. Coach K recruited Austin Rivers after he committed to Florida. He and the rest of the staff showed Austin around the campus, the new facilities, the underground tunnels, promoted the program’s history and accomplishments, explained how he would fit in their system and the players they had coming in, and told him that they would love to have him on their team. It was a great visit. Only problem was, Austin was still committed to Florida, and Coach K didn’t seek Florida’s permission.

Here’s the kicker. You know what Coach K said told Austin? After the on-campus tour, after the sales pitch, after making clear how much they wanted him? He told Austin that he really couldn’t recruit him, not without a decomit or Florida said it was okay.

I’m not kidding. I don’t know what his definition of recruiting is, but I’m convinced his definition of ethics is not the same as mine.

by Wheatgerm on Dec 31, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

good lord folks....

He is a “High School” kid… They change their minds…

We’ve had kids come to UK and play 10 games, (Joe Crawford) or 1-semester (Alex Legion), and then change their minds… Although Joe ultimately came back to school, it happens… Just go out and get the next guy…

I’ve always believed that if a kid does not have his heart in playing for my school, then he needs to go elsewhere…

As for the “hands off comments”, I agree 100%.. Text the hell out of Coach K., or Coach Cal for continuing to recruit this kid, but man…Don’t text the kid himself… JMO…

Anyways, from a UK fan, good luck this season and if you can, beat Duke & UNC by 100 points..!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steelers fan 1st! UK is my 2nd love.

by vinceuk1 on Dec 31, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its not if we 'can'

its rather, if we show up.

talent wise we can hang with almost every school in the nation, sans texas/kansas perhaps, but just as the past 2 years have shown, it all depends on what team shows up: the team that beat unc, or the team that lost to clemson by 29

inconsistency, that is marylands biggest problem since the departure of juan

by aMo on Dec 31, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe UnderArmour Basketball is complete BS!

Nike or not, maybe the kid doesn’t want to be a guinea pig for UnderArmour to try and figure out Basketball…. Nike has it wired… who would want to risk their career on inferior product?

by HWhiteRules on Dec 31, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

recruiting

Check it out. As a college basketball fan, you have to realize that the landscape of the game has changed very much so. Look at where a lot of really good coaches have aligned themselves. Either in the ACC or SEC. Some of the best recruiters are in those 2 conferences. Gary Williams is a good coach but he stinks at recruiting. The ACC is recruiting better players from top to bottom than it has ever done. A former bottom feeder like Florida State is recruiting 4-5 star kids and getting them to come there. While Gary Williams sits and lets Tyler Thornton, Roscoe Smith, Josh Hairston, Kendall Marshall, Doron Lamb and Josh Selby who are all in the Virginia and Maryland DC area walk right out the front door. So the blame should not be put on other coaches and such, it should be pointed directly at Gary Williams and his staff. Get in those recruits houses and get them signed early. Case closed.

by acb108 on Jan 1, 2010 4:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LACK OF RECRUITING

I guess this is typical of Maryland fans to deny the obvious and point to others to blame. The fact remains though that you are not getting it done recruiting wise. I am a Duke fan. I would love to see a rivalry like there was in the early 2000’s and late 90’s but that is not going to happen until the staff at Maryland either changes or decides to change there approach. Coach K has been ridiculed for not casting the net big enough and targeting in too much on particular recruits. He seems to be changing this. I dont know exactly what the problem at Maryland is but i highly doubt Coach K called the kid and said. " Hey Terrance, why dont you come to duke where you can win ACC championships and have a better chance of winning a national championship." I doubt that happened. The kid is shaky on Maryland and the university needs to decide what there going to do with coach Gary williams before a great basketball institution hits rock bottom.

by acb108 on Jan 2, 2010 1:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

finally a respectful Duke fan.

thanks for your post. you have some good insight.

that said, i think what you described in your post may just be exactly what Coach K (or one of his assistants) did.

by kckb8 on Jan 2, 2010 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

T Ross changes mind

There’s enough innuendo to speculate on to keep “Gossip Girl” happy. What I have learned is there are sponsors at the NCAA level. This is bold news. Stop the presses or the bits over the wireless towers. Second athletes make money in sports at the college level. This seems errily reminiscent of point shaving scandals that brought down LIU, Fordam, CCNY, and Hunter in the 1930s and later. They haven’t recovered yet. But the fix is so well respected today that it’s taken for granted. Whether the coach at the high school or the private “academy” condemns it they all get patted on the back and some actually get money in a brown bag. What’s the percentage of players recruited from so called religious schools these days? Is there a chance there is money exchanged between innocent boosters and the head master? Nah! How can that be? Are the AAU coaches themselves working for the corporate sponsors? Nah, couldn’t be. Yes it happens Virginia. Santa Claus wears a trademark sneaker and you know who it is. But don’t tell. It’s a secret. So next time I watch a game I will be looking for scouts who wear dark glasses and hoodies to hide the guilt on their faces from lying to our innocent youths who incidentally read the sports pages for business and refer to students who pay fees to support them as their entourage. As long as money is involved there will be gamblers. As long as sponsors are involved there will be fixes. Or as they say don’t blame the playa blame the sport. Now let’s go watch another highlight with my fav making a last second dunk to win. It always surprises me how that happens.

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