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Two Tobias Harris Notes, Both Tennessee Related

Looking orange right now.

Looking orange right now.

Things aren't looking up for Maryland in the Tobias Harris race. Or, actually, Syracuse, for that matter. Or Georgia Tech, Louisville, Kentucky, or West Virginia.

Yeah, it's looking Tennessee right now. While the decision makes no sense to me, he must really like it down there, because he stopped on his way back from Georgia Tech to watch Tennessee throttle UNC-Asheville. Shortly after, Jayvaughn Pinkston, who plays Tobias' position (and is also from NY), announced his decision to delay signing with Tennessee, to whom he had committed to just hours earlier.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots. Pinkston might've heard, whether it be from the Tennessee coaches or someone else, that Tobias is going to be a Vol - he very well might've informed Bruce Pearl when he was in Knoxville - and decided to hold off or go elsewhere for playing time reasons.

Obviously, there's nothing official, this is all blind conjecture (albeit logical blind conjecture) and Pinkston has a reputation as a little bit of a nutty dude, but it's not encouraging. Harris is supposed to be signing today and announcing tomorrow, and it's looking very orange right now.

I'm not trying to kill hope here, but it's tough to see it any other way. Just prepare yourself for his announcement.

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Ugh...

…yeah, that’s not good. I knew something was up this morning when Zags’ story he had up yesterday on Tobias disappeared. Who do we target if he does end up in Orange?

by Dave Tucker on Nov 18, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Leslie's probably out, unfortunately

I was wondering if we don’t see if there’s any interest from Pinkston – usually, when guys have to make a new decision, they start from scratch. He’s more talented than anyone else we could get right now.

Otherwise, we push for a guy like Nastic to be 2010 (which worked terribly the last time we tried it) or go after a guy like Gil Biruta or Jon Graham, neither of whom we’re currently recruiting, I believe.

Or, of course, we save the scholarship.

I think we’re going to have to have another Lance-type situation if we want to land a stud (provided Harris doesn’t commit).

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

I don’t get why a player of his caliber would go to UT to play at a football school in a football conference…

Obviously we’re biased here in CP but still, we’re in the premier conference sitting in the middle of the hottest college basketball area and he can be a star here, plus last time I checked Tennessee hasn’t sent anyone worth anything to the NBA since Allan Houston…

I think the decision is a bad one from a basketball standpoint even tho I think Bruce Pearl is a fantastic coach – he just isn’t a great teacher of the NBA game, whereas I think Gary is better

I hope he makes the right decision, but I’m not gonna lie and say this doesn’t hurt a little…

by DoronTam on Nov 18, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree

There were 4 good decisions that I could understand (MD, Cuse, KY, and UL), 2 I could kind of get (GT and WVU), and this one, which makes no sense.

Of course, people say recruiting isn’t logical…I guess they’re right.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

The only 4 decisions I would have understood are the 4 you listed because they win and can prepare a player for the NBA.

WVU is terrible academically, isn’t that important even within its own conference and won’t be that good in the future, plus how long until Huggins has a recruiting violation lol
GT isn’t bad but isn’t great and UT makes little sense from what we listed above. I don’t understand some of these recruits…

by DoronTam on Nov 18, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. I am sure Bruce Pearl is a nice guy and all, but I just can’t imagine it making sense from a development/nba perspective . . . oh well, I thought we did pretty well with this one, we will land someone like Harris sooner or later, but it does sting, his work ethic was something special.

by nmprisons on Nov 18, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To all the pessimists...

Click on the link below:

http://www.allkyhoops.com/search/label/Tobias%20Harris

Hopefully that inspires some hope to some of you and clarifys some concerns you may have…

by Terps2K6 on Nov 18, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. I don't know what to think

Someone said he might have just gone to Knoxvilel to throw everyone for a loop. But who knows. Why would you travel that far to do that? Seems kind of crazy. If it comes down to him wanting to get a degree with playing basketball, UMD could be the choice. He seems to really like the business school and when asked to describe the best thing about UMD, he said the school and campus. So, who knows…

I’m trying to not let myself get caught up in this like I did with Lance Stephenson a few months ago…

by Dave Tucker on Nov 18, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Still torn on that

Of course he wouldn’t say he was committed. Still, it does make you take a step back and look at things.

Maybe Pearl asked him to take a visit to see them play, since he went before games started.

Also, I refuse to believe that anyone has any idea where he’s going. Tobias + Torrel haven’t led anything slip.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is that his family already knows where he is going (see his sister’s twitter page) and so he clearly has a favorite!

by nmprisons on Nov 18, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

UT is a rising basketball power

Before Bruce Pearl arrived, UT basketball had been playiong second fiddle to Football since the Ernie and Bernie days of the late 70’s. However, in the past 4 years, Pearl has taken them to 4 straight NCAA tourneys, won the SEC Championship, averaged 25 wins a year and plays an exciting brand of basketball that most players like to play. In addition, Tennessee averages over 20,000 fans per game (4th in the nation) for basketball. Yeah, maybe a football school traditionally, but basketball has become a big deal under Pearl. While only CJ Watson (Golden State) has made it to the NBA under Pearl, he has 3 legit NBA prospects on this season’s team and remember, he is only in his 5th season. Tobias Harris will fit perfectly into Pearl’s system and will play immediately. Same for Pinkston if he decides to go to UT.

by Jeezelbub on Nov 18, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think people are reading in to this a little too much. I understand how you can connect the dots, but at the same time maybe Pinkston wanted to delay just due to the simple fact that Tennessee is one of the seven or so schools that Tobias is considering and wanted to see if he in fact does pick them. I still have the hope, although it’s not a good thing that he went to a game in which Tennessee absolutely destroyed thier competition…

by Terps2K6 on Nov 18, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pinkston

He did not commit to Tennessee, the report was premature.

by Terp80 on Nov 18, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A Few More Questions To Ponder

It’s obviously not certain where Harris ends up (and let’s remember that it’s an extremely personal and important choice), but if he does end up at Tennessee and you really can’t understand why, perhaps you might ask a few more questions, such as:

-Who has had the higher attendance the last five years, Maryland or Tennessee? (Hint: one of them has been in the top-five nationally those years.)

-Which of those teams is ranked higher now?

-Which team has had the higher rankings over the last five years?

-Which coach has done the better job over the last five years? (Keeping in mind that Tennessee was awful before Pearl arrived.)

-Who would you rather spend most of time with, need to have your back, etc.: Bruce Pearl or Gary Williams?

-Which NBA players “worth anything” are from Maryland?

by DCVol on Nov 18, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

From the top

Tennessee, but not by much. Maryland has been around 10, Tennessee around 5. Difference is negligible.

Tennessee, but I’m not entirely sure how there’s a big difference between a top 15 team and a top 25 team.

Tennessee, no qualms. Who has an NCAA championship this decade.

Last 5 years? Pearl. Who’s the HOFer?

I don’t know, I’ve never personally met either. You?

More than Tennesee. Let’s see, you’ve had two selections this decade, both in 2002, and neither have amounted to anything. Quite literally, the last decent player you put into the draft was Allan Houston, and before that, it was Bernard King, back in 77.

Maryland has had ten selections from the past decade, including 3 first rounders. Steve Blake has had a good career, and before imploding, Steve Francis was a top 10 player. Maryland also produced Keith Booth, Joe Smith, Walt Williams, and Len Bias – pretty solid roster.

Look, I’m not saying there’s no reason to go to Tennessee, only that I simply don’t understand it in this case. Tennessee doesn’t produce NBA players, they’ve had moderate success, they’re not set up for success (losing four starters), and they’re a football school in a football conference. It’s not close to home. There are a bunch of great schools, and Tennessee is an outlier of the bunch.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is right, except for one quick point: Tennessee is, well, in Tennessee. No offense to the state, I have lived thee for about 5 years, but, frankly, it has nowhere near the quality of life of College Park/DC/Baltimore/NorthEast Corridor.

by nmprisons on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quality of Life

Quality of life being better in DC/College Park than in Knoxville? What are you smoking? DC has been #1 in murder rate four years running. DC public school system imploding. What was that mayor’s name, the coke smoker? DIdn’t he get re-elected. Brilliant.

 Yes, I am from Knoxville and yes I have been to DC, been to NYC, been to College Park. Nice place to visit, see a museum, but better quality of life. To each his own, I guess.

No, Knoxville is not perfect, but its a lot safer, friendlier, more affordable and attracts many more people from up north looking to retire here than DC attracts from down south.

Your comments show a complete lack of understanding of what quality of life really is. Anyway, who knows where Harris will end up, but to denigrate an entire state is pretty stoopid.

by japee on Nov 18, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

1. I have lived in Knoxville
2. Quite often basketball players at MD (1) attend D.C. public schools and (2) get murdered
3. Food, culture, public transportation, seasons, intellectual environment, music . . .

by nmprisons on Nov 18, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, bbroman...

You took the much more respectful approach then I did…haha

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I get it…an affronted Vol fan. You’re a little ticked off that poor Bruce Pearl is being denigrated in a public forum. Well here’s a wakeup call – this is a UM blog. You can expect a little bias.

But your “questions” are misleading and not all easily answered as you imply.

Re: Who has higher attendance? I don’t know, but obviously you have some source. Let’s see it. Comcast is packed for all the big Terps games, though admittedly early-season attendance was rather pathetic last year.

Re: rankings? Guess what, they mean next to nothing. When Pearl wins a national championship, let’s talk.

Re: Which coach has done a better job over the last 5 years? You could certainly argue for Pearl, but this is subjective. If he stays there for a while, he will have his valleys just as GW has.

Re: Who would you rather “spend most of time with, need to have your back, etc.”? I don’t even understand what you mean here, but it sounds like you’re implying that Gary doesn’t support his players…which is at best a misconception. Ultimately this is a question that can’t be answered by most of us who haven’t experienced life in that context – but I certainly wouldn’t assume Pearl is the answer to this question.

Re: Which solid NBA players are from Maryland? Well, just off the top of my head, Walt Williams, Tony Massenburg, Joe Smith, Juan Dixon, Steve Blake, and Chris Wilcox have all had solid NBA careers. Steve Francis was a star for about 5 years before injuries and personal issues got the better of him. Sarunas Jasikevicius is a star internationally and had a few successful years in the NBA before returning to Lithuania.

Bottom Line: Pearl is a good coach and Tennessee is a decent basketball program, but the criticisms of choosing Tennessee over Maryland and some of the other schools on his list seem fair to me.

by jellisjenius on Nov 18, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

actually CJ watson plays significant minutes for Golden State, tyler smith and scotty hopson will probably both be taken in the next draft, with Wayne Chism being a potential depending on the season. And UT has had way more people play than allan houston since bernard king.

check the list
http://www.basketballreference.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=University+of+Tennessee

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

the only people i recognized on that entire list were bernard king and allan houston.

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dale Ellis

Surely you have heard of Dale Ellis, he is one of the all-time leading 3-pt. shooters in the NBA (now retired) and was an All-American at Tenn. Ernie Grunfeld drafted in the 1st round, played for the Bucks for several years and is the General Mgr. for the Wizards. UT will possibly have 2-3 players drafted off of this years team. Bruce Pearl has it going on in Knox-Vegas.

by Jeezelbub on Nov 18, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

“Knox-vegas”. I have no idea if Knoxville is actually a fun place, but you’ve got the name down.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and MD has put more players in the league than I listed. But I thought the point was players who accomplished something there.

by jellisjenius on Nov 18, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Poor phrasing on my part

Meant to say draft, b/c we all know Tobias isn’t looking to take the UDFA route.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/tennessee/nba_draft

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and Tennessee is the only school to ever be in the top 5 in attendence in football, basketball, and women’s basketball. and they have done it five times

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sounds like a response from someone who was just proven wrong

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i didnt even argue against you...

that’s cool that you guys are ranked in the top 5 in all those things. i just dont see why thats relevant at all haha

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*top 5 in the same school year, and they have done it 5 times

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Relevant because...?

Tobias won’t be playing football and WBB. As already stated, the difference between top 5 and top 10 is negligible.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SEC versus ACC

ACC is the premier hoops league in the nation…or maybe Big East. But SEC is not even in the discussion.

by GoTerpsBaby on Nov 18, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not offended at all. I just thought that saying that Tennessee “made no sense,” well, made no sense. There are a lot of pros and cons to all schools, Maryland and Tennessee included. But, it seems more than reasonable to me that a recruit would see Tennessee as a still up-and-coming team, while Maryland under Gary Williams is stuck in a rut (I’m not saying that’s the case—Williams has obviously had a ton of success—but that’s one impression a recruit may have). Note also that the NBA players mentioned were from a while ago. And the recruiting sell of “you can be just like Steve Francis and Steve Blake” isn’t exactly a deal-closer. But true that Tennessee, thus far, can’t sell that either.

Also, while the SEC is no ACC (I’ve lived most of my life in ACC country, so I know)—it’s not just a football conference. See Kentucky, Florida, LSU, Tennessee over the last few years. More important, Tennessee is a huge SPORTS school. Pat Summit and the Lady Vols have a monster following and Pearl has managed to do the same for basketball. Football is king, but basketball isn’t far behind.

by DCVol on Nov 18, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now that we are arguing...

watch him commit to Syracuse, just to jinx this pointless bickering…

by Terps2K6 on Nov 18, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

watch him commit to kentucky, just to see me cry

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha i know right...

thats something we can all agree on! lol

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's funny...

…that DCVol created a SBNation account today just to troll.

If you want to get into Woman’s basketball too, ask yourself this buddy – Name one of the schools who has won a National Title in Men’s and Women’s basketball and in football? I’ll give you a clue – not Tennessee. Stanford and UCLA are the other two in addition to Maryland. Also, Brenda Frese is probably the only person who can give Pat Summitt a run for her money in the long run. I’m not saying Brenda is as good as Pat, but I’m saying she could be when she gets to the point where Pat is in her career. Why women’s basketball is relevant to the initial conversation, I don’t know.

Speaking of I don’t knows, what is this “who would have your back” crap about? I’ll take Gary any day of the week. No one goes to bat more for his players than Gary Williams. Anyone that saw the crap the Washington Post dragged him through last year should know that. And I know this from covering Maryland basketball and interviewing Gary personally.

ACC > SEC in basketball and it’s not close. SEC>ACC in football and it’s not close.

I think someone is still hurt by that smacking the Terps gave Tennessee in the Peach Bowl back in 2003. My favorite part of that game, besides the final score, was when every Tennessee fan in the Georgia Dome thought they’d stopped Maryland on 4th and goal and all of the Maryland fans were cheering because we saw Scott McBrien standing in the endzone with the ball after he ran a naked bootleg to the left. Here’s the video in case you forgot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA2g8RMz8tk
Who won that fight?

by Dave Tucker on Nov 18, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Eh, it's not really trolling

Trolling is more of a “MD sucks! Tobias to Tennessee all the way!” type of attitude. He came with some legit points, albeit very minor ones.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

believe me, I don’t think there is a single tennesse football, basketball, or lady vol basketball fan who is jealous of any of Maryland’s counterpart programs right now

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

nice spelling of tennessee.

that said, i dont think there is a single maryland student jealous of the academic program down there at “tennesse”

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

huntert311

you have just won me over.

by Ben Broman on Nov 18, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

no denying that fact. i was just saying below, i like this guy now haha

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

other than the fact that lane kiffin is recruiting out of his mind, as is bruce pearl (which got this conversation started), and pat summit is always good, i seriously doubt that

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

oh lol, i didnt see academic

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

tennessee’s academics aren’t bad. They’re comprable to any other major public college

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

just having a little fun with you…nice to spice up the blog comments a little bit.

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i just realized that I’m being one of those people that I hate commenting on Tennessee’s blog sites

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

ht311, you’re not half bad. i like you now.

i might drop by your blog sites now just to say hello lol

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha govolsxtra.com is where its at

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

although i wouldn’t doubt that maryland’s are very good

by huntert311 on Nov 18, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we're no duke...

but then again, who would wanna be in a class with those douches

by kckb8 on Nov 18, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tobias to Tennessee

I think its official. Its all over for MD.

by Bboydragon25 on Nov 18, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Source?

How can it be “official” if there’s no source? The only news I’ve seen is that apparently John Wall tweeted something like “Noo…Tobias to Tennessee” a few hours ago. But that’s hardly official. It doesn’t look good for MD, in any case.

by jellisjenius on Nov 18, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

his fb acount says different

he says he’s a announcing tomorrow on sportscenterU at 5:30. so even if he chose UT, he hasn’t said anything

by sunny2189 on Nov 18, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

anything now is speculation...

supposedly john wall posted something along the lines of “nooo! tobias to tennessee” on his twitter. but when i checked it, it was gone. maybe he didn’t wanna ruin tobias’s moment on espnu.

by kckb8 on Nov 19, 2009 12:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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